Evie Templeton (00:00): I think it's just a moment of pure devastation, and I think it also acts as quite a pivotal moment because after this, she breaks out of her braids. I don't care what you think about me anymore.

Jenna Ortega (00:11): Good.

Caitlin Reilly (00:17): Hello, I am Caitlin Reilly, and welcome to The Wednesday Season 2 Official Woecast. It has been a wild season so far. Grab your Venetian masks and your outcast black tie attire. This ride is about to get real. We've got Evie Templeton joining us to chat about playing Wednesday's stalker slash sidekick Agnes DeMille, costume designer Colleen Atwood is coming to talk us through all the looks from the Nevermore Gala, and much more. Plus, Steve Buscemi is joining us to spill all the tea on Principal Dort. One of my absolute favorite new characters, Agnes DeMille, aka Wednesday's stalker, is with us today. Evie Templeton, it's so lovely to be speaking with you.

Evie Templeton (01:15): It's so lovely to meet you too.

Caitlin Reilly (01:17): Now Agnes is a very particular character, a little unhinged, a little out there.

Evie Templeton (01:23): Very unhinged.

Caitlin Reilly (01:24): Very much so. So, what was your inspiration with this character? What was your process becoming Agnes?

Evie Templeton (01:31): I sort of started building a mood board, and that kind of included a lot of gothic imagery just to kind of get me into the whole world of Nevermore and the Tim Burton kind of world. And then I did study, mainly what I did was I studied a lot of old classic films. So, do you know Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?

Caitlin Reilly (01:51): Oh, my gosh.

Evie Templeton (01:52): I know.

Caitlin Reilly (01:52): Of course I do.

Evie Templeton (01:53): Flawless. So, I studied that. I love the obsessive nature of the character, and that was something that I could really take on board with Agnes.

Caitlin Reilly (01:59): Yes. I mean it's very Bette Davis-esque if I'm...

Evie Templeton (02:02): Very Bette Davis.

Caitlin Reilly (02:03): Bette Davis vibes for sure.

Evie Templeton (02:05): Yeah, the Bette Davis eyes is what I get told sometimes.

Caitlin Reilly (02:08): Yes, very much so. I would have to say.

Evie Templeton (02:10): I also took a lot of inspiration from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest just to develop elements of madness, because she's obviously a little bit cuckoo, so.

Caitlin Reilly (02:19): I think you're a girl after my own heart, I got to say we got to sit down and watch some old movies together.

Evie Templeton (02:24): We do. A little popcorn night [inaudible 00:02:25].

Caitlin Reilly (02:25): Yes, we must.

Evie Templeton (02:29): Can I get your autograph?

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Jenna Ortega (02:32): I only sign my name in blood.

Evie Templeton (02:34): I would expect nothing less.

Jenna Ortega (02:36): I never said it was my own blood.

Joy Sunday (02:40): You are done here. Shoo.

Jenna Ortega (02:46): That was disturbing.

Joy Sunday (02:48): Well, you better get used to it.

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Caitlin Reilly (02:49): I wanted to know about the audition process.

Evie Templeton (02:52): Yes.

Caitlin Reilly (02:53): Tell me everything from beginning to end. Was it a self-tape audition? Was it over Zoom? Was it in person? Was there a chemistry read? What was the process like?

Evie Templeton (03:03): So, it all started with a self tape, and that was the initial round. And it was actually a little bit weird because I kind of guessed what it was, but I wasn't told directly because it was all under code names.

Caitlin Reilly (03:13): OK.

Evie Templeton (03:13): So, that was obviously interesting.

Caitlin Reilly (03:15): And what was the scene that you had? Was it a fake scene?

Evie Templeton (03:18): No, it wasn't a fake scene. My first scene was the don't bother pup scene with Enid and Wednesday.

Caitlin Reilly (03:24): Oh.

Evie Templeton (03:25): And my second one was, it's actually one of my favorite scenes, the bikini scene where I pulled out my bikini, and we talk about Enid dying and her funeral. That was my other scene.

Caitlin Reilly (03:34): Amazing.

Evie Templeton (03:35): I felt like I had an instant connection to the character. So, yeah, it kind of felt like it was meant to be, which was really lovely. And then after that it went into Zoom recalls, and then my final audition was a chemistry read with Jenna and Emma, which was crazy.

Caitlin Reilly (03:50): Did you love it? Were you nervous?

Evie Templeton (03:52): Yeah, I mean very, very fun. Very, very scary. I did have to have a little lie down afterwards, but...

Caitlin Reilly (03:57): A little lie down?

Evie Templeton (03:59): Yeah.

Caitlin Reilly (03:59): I would have to as well, to be honest, I need to lie down after this. I need to lie down all the time.

Evie Templeton (04:04): All the time. Every day.

Caitlin Reilly (04:06): Every day.

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Jenna Ortega (04:09): Principal Weems, I need a respite from your incessant interruptions.

Evie Templeton (04:13): Are you feeling OK? I read that comas can have long-lasting effect on brain function.

Jenna Ortega (04:19): What are you doing here, Agnes?

Evie Templeton (04:21): I snuck into the hospital every day.

Jenna Ortega (04:23): I got your hourly get-well cards.

Evie Templeton (04:25): I just wanted to make sure that you knew how worried I was about you. I also may have rebraided your hair and tried on your clothes when the nurses weren't looking. One more thing. Do you know what the nightshades are up to?

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Caitlin Reilly (04:47): So, Evie has all of these trademarks of a quintessential Tim Burton character, right? The off-kilter-ness, the brilliant-ness, the strangeness. Were you a Tim Burton fan before going into this?

Evie Templeton (05:00): Oh, my gosh, huge Tim Burton fan.

Caitlin Reilly (05:02): Really?

Evie Templeton (05:03): Completely obsessed. Edward Scissorhands, Beetlejuice. I'm obsessed.

Caitlin Reilly (05:07): Oh, gosh. Well, I mean, what was it like working with him?

Evie Templeton (05:10): It was really a dream come true. I mean, his attention to detail is outstanding, and he has a really collaborative approach. He always made me feel at ease on set. So, yeah, it was absolutely amazing to work with him.

Caitlin Reilly (05:21): We loved him. Uncle Tim. Good old Uncle Tim. Well, he's not old. Well, maybe he is old. I don't know how old Tim Burton is. If you can check that for me. That'd be great.

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Emma Myers (05:39): Agnes?

Evie Templeton (05:41): I can't even get peace in solitude in a crime scene.

Emma Myers (05:45): What happened to you?

Evie Templeton (05:46): Wednesday dropped an Addams bomb on me. Congrats. You win. I thought I was everything she wanted in a best friend. Sarcastic, sardonic, with the same dark neo-goth aesthetic, a task-oriented clue-hound, willing to risk life and limb in a relentless pursuit of solving the case. But it turns out I was dead wrong.

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Caitlin Reilly (06:13): Now onscreen Agnes is Wednesday's biggest fan. Well, I mean stalker. She's Wednesday's stalker.

Evie Templeton (06:20): She definitely is a stalker. I think Tim actually describes her as stalker, but vulnerable.

Caitlin Reilly (06:24): I love that. There was a weird emotional vulnerability with Agnes that I appreciate as someone who is a Aquarius moon. But what about you? I mean, are there things in Agnes that you identify with?

Evie Templeton (06:40): Yeah, 100%. I definitely do. I think that feeling of not being sure who you are as a person and sort of feeling the need to conform and be like everybody else when really, I mean, I think the important message in this episode is that it's OK to stand out, and it's OK to be yourself, and being yourself is the best version of yourself that you can be.

Caitlin Reilly (07:01): Right. It's OK to stand in your individuality.

Evie Templeton (07:05): 100%. Embrace it.

Caitlin Reilly (07:06): Yeah.

Evie Templeton (07:08): Wow. You called it perfectly.

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Jenna Ortega (07:11): What'd she say?

Evie Templeton (07:12): Exactly what you predicted. Bianca confessed she's being blackmailed by Dort and some guy named Gideon.

Jenna Ortega (07:19): Then she siren songed me into forgetting.

Evie Templeton (07:21): We really do make a great team. Don't we?

Jenna Ortega (07:24): Show yourself Agnes.

Evie Templeton (07:28): Now that your premonition changed, and Enid isn't dying, I knew I had to step up my game to become your best friend.

Jenna Ortega (07:36): By raiding my closet?

Evie Templeton (07:39): I did this for you. I wanted to show you how much you mean to me.

Jenna Ortega (07:44): You failed.

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Caitlin Reilly (07:50): So, there's a big moment between Wednesday and Agnes. Agnes has done everything to be exactly like Wednesday in the hopes of becoming her best friend, and she tries to help her, but then Wednesday pointedly tells her that she's failed. What do you think that means to Agnes?

Evie Templeton (08:08): I mean, I think it's just a moment of pure devastation. I mean, all of her efforts have really led to nothing, and she's tried so hard and put so much into this that, yeah, it's really just a moment of pure heartbreak. To be told by her idol that she's failed and that she's not good enough is really heart-wrenching for her. I think it also acts as quite a pivotal moment because after this she sort of embraces her own individuality, and she breaks out of her braids, so to say, so.

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Emma Myers (08:36): One Wednesday Addams is more than enough for this world. If you're tired of being invisible, stop hiding in other people's personalities. Be your own psycho, Agnes. Trust me, you'll be good at it.

Evie Templeton (08:58): What about your dance routine? That group chat is blowing up at the Bruno News, and I really don't feel like being a lone wolf out there, so I'll dance with you. You don't even know my choreography. Unless you've been stalking my rehearsals.

[end clip]

Caitlin Reilly (09:15): Agnes starts off loathing Enid, wanting to take her place, wanting to be Wednesday's best friend, but they reached kind of an understanding each other.

Evie Templeton (09:26): Yeah, definitely a truce is reached.

Caitlin Reilly (09:27): Yeah. A truce and understanding through the season. What do you think these two have in common with each other?

Evie Templeton (09:33): Well, I think they have a lot in common. I mean, they both admire Wednesday so much, and I think they can both also recognize that beneath Wednesday's stern, stony exterior that she has a lot of compassion inside, and she's a very loyal friend. I think it's in the moment where she's obviously in her beautiful green dress, and she's got her new hairstyle that she sort of realizes that the be your own psycho advice has really impacted her in the best way possible. And I think that's a really important message, especially for my generation to just to not feel like you have to conform, and to understand that you can break out of the mold and to be yourself, and not to feel pressured into being what everyone else thinks you should be. I mean, Emma is the sweetest girl — she's so, so nice. And we have a lot in common, which is great.

Caitlin Reilly (10:19): What do you have in common?

Evie Templeton (10:20): We both dance.

Caitlin Reilly (10:22): Well, of course you both dance.

Evie Templeton (10:22): Of course we do.

Caitlin Reilly (10:24): But did you do train dancing classes?

Evie Templeton (10:26): Yeah, we did. Because obviously, we're working with Corey, who's our wonderful choreographer. And yeah, so we did some sessions, but we started about a week before we shot that scene. Just a couple of days building stuff. But yeah, I mean that was something that kind of connected us from the beginning. I remember one of my first scenes that I shot with Emma was in the clock tower. It's the one where I do my little curtsy and introduce myself. And we did a little ballet bar in between takes on one of the railings, which was funny.

Caitlin Reilly (10:54): Now, where do you see Agnes going? If she has a future in Season 3, what do you want for her?

Evie Templeton (11:03): I really want to see their trio dynamic. I'd like to see how that progresses like the Three Musketeers.

Caitlin Reilly (11:08): Well, I was going to say the Powerpuff Girls.

Evie Templeton (11:10): Yes, yes!

Caitlin Reilly (11:10): Very much so.

Evie Templeton (11:11): 100%.

Caitlin Reilly (11:12): I think that they should all fight crime together.

Evie Templeton (11:14): I agree. I think that would be chef's kiss, perfect.

Caitlin Reilly (11:17): I should take over Nevermore. Well, Evie, it was so lovely speaking with you.

Evie Templeton (11:23): So lovely to speak with you.

Caitlin Reilly (11:24): This was an absolute dream. I think you are so brilliantly talented.

Evie Templeton (11:27): Thank you so much.

Caitlin Reilly (11:28): I can't wait to see what you do next. And Agnes is my favorite character. Sorry.

Evie Templeton (11:34): Sorry guys.

Caitlin Reilly (11:34): I said it. She wins.

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Emma Myers (11:37): Only you would leave psychic scar tissue in a body swap.

Evie Templeton (11:41): Nice to try, telling me to stay invisible. Shh. Save your apologies.

Emma Myers (11:47): I'm not even a little bit sorry. And you know what? You should be grateful that we came to rescue you when there's a premonition that I die.

Evie Templeton (11:52): And yet it never comes to pass. Worst premonition ever.

[end clip]

Caitlin Reilly (11:57): Thing, can you grab me a copy of the script for Season 2, Episode 8 so I can read it? Oh, thank you so much. Al and Miles said that I would be in the show, so I just wanted to get to memorizing my lines. OK, where am I? Where am I? Where am I? I'm not in the script at all. Thing, did Al and Miles call you? Did they call? Leave word? No? Maybe next season I'll be in the show. Every door closed leads to an open window. I am now joined by the queen of costuming herself, a frequent collaborator of Tim Burton, and a multi-Oscar winner. Everyone, please welcome Colleen Atwood. Thank you for being here today.

Colleen Atwood (12:55): Thank you for having me.

Caitlin Reilly (12:56): Of course. Now I wanted to talk to you about the Venetian gowns in Episode 7. What does Tim talk to you about when approaching something like that? What was that process? Were you inspired or influenced by anything? What did you pull from because those costumes are absolutely incredible.

Colleen Atwood (13:15): Well, what we really wanted to do on it, we didn't want to do a Venetian ball per se. Tim was very into the color of it, and the sort of dynamics of the different colors in the room where your typical Venetian ball that you do is very pastel-y, 18th century. And we sort of did a combination of dark and color. We really wanted color in it. That was our starting point with it. And then we also didn't want it to look like everybody went to a rental house and rented a period dress.

Caitlin Reilly (13:44): Right, exactly.

Colleen Atwood (13:45): So, we did our own spin on the 18th century sort of Venetian ball vibe. We rented stuff from Tirelli in Rome, and from Angels in London, and Cosprop in London. And then we took those pieces of that and combined it with our own creations on the crowd. And then on the principals. We made our own clothes, which was really fun for each and every one of them.

Caitlin Reilly (14:09): Wow, that's amazing.

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Steve Buscemi (14:12): Ahh, buona sera, Addams Family. Your mother has already made herself the belle of the ball.

Joanna Lumley (14:20): I'm firing the board and reinstating corporal punishment.

Steve Buscemi (14:27): That's lots to discuss later. All right, there you go. Excuse me.

Joanna Lumley (14:32): Where is Wednesday?

Catherine Zeta-Jones (14:34): We're barely on speaking terms at the moment.

Joanna Lumley (14:36): Well, now you know what it feels like, Morticia, to be despised by a child to whom you've given everything. I guess we have that in common.

Speaker (14:45): There's Wednesday.

Joanna Lumley (14:48): Look at us, one big unhappy family.

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Caitlin Reilly (14:53): Every outfit is a feast. But I wanted to touch on some of the key characters’ looks. So, I want everything. I want the inspiration. I want the breakdown. For example, Wednesday's in black, but of course she has that black eye veil that almost looks a bit more like Marie Antoinette.

Colleen Atwood (15:09): Well, I wanted Wednesday's costume at the ball to be obviously standalone, but the idea of it was it was a masked ball. But because we think of Wednesday as someone who steps outside the parameters of what anyone else would think a masked ball is, we just did the sheer eye mask on her along with her costume is really thin silk bobbinet and layers of it so you can really see through it. It's got black underneath for the bits, but we really wanted it to be almost like a vision when she walked in.

Caitlin Reilly (15:50): It was so beautiful on camera, and I thought that the detail of the veil was just perfect for her character and perfect for the ball. Enid's dress, the opalescent flowers, the corset. I mean, that was amazing. How did you do that? Why did you do that?

Colleen Atwood (16:07): For Enid? Because of her coloring and stuff. I really saw her, I wanted to contrast with Wednesday. So, I just did her pale, like the opposite sort of end of the kind of color spectrum without being in white. And then the flowers and the little embellishments on the costume were sort of her colors, but sort of a little bit watered down, a little more subtle than the sort of Japanese-influenced colors of her costume. So, that was sort of where I went with Enid and her look for the ball. She also had to dance in her costume, which made its construction and its concept really important from the beginning, knowing that someone has to dance in something, changes how you construct it, and how you build it as opposed to someone that's just walking through a room.

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Noah B. Taylor (17:04): Certainly a million miles away from our first date.

Emma Myers (17:07): You mean no knives and chains? Not that this is a date, though.

Noah B. Taylor (17:12): Of course not.

Sofia (17:15): Bruno?

Noah B. Taylor (17:17): Sofia, I don't believe it. How'd you get here?

Emma Myers (17:20): I'm guessing that red-eye from Manila the second you told her it was over.

Sofia (17:25): You must be Enid. I don't want this to be awkward.

Emma Myers (17:29): Don't worry. I'm not going to be the villain in this story. I think I wanted us to work out, because I was holding onto the past, but I have a new path now, one that I have to face alone.

Noah B. Taylor (17:42): Enid, I —

Emma Myers (17:45): Killer dress, by the way.

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Caitlin Reilly (17:46): What's the inspiration behind Morticia's costuming specifically for this episode?

Colleen Atwood (17:51): I had this headpiece that I'd had in my collection for a long time.

Caitlin Reilly (17:56): No, really?

Colleen Atwood (17:56): And I brought it to the first fitting, and we put it on, and I was like, "Oh, is it too much?" But then when we got the whole dress and everything together, it just, Catherine goes, "Yeah, where's the headpiece?" So, we went for the whole look.

Caitlin Reilly (18:11): And you just had that in your arsenal? Wow. Had you used it for anything else or repurposed it?

Colleen Atwood (18:17): No. I can't even remember when I got it. I just bought it because it was really beautiful piece of millinery. I brought it last season of Wednesday, thinking it'd be great for the show for something, and then never used it. But when I got to what this dress was with Morticia, like how does Morticia do the 18th century? It fell into place for her.

Caitlin Reilly (18:41): Meant to be.

Colleen Atwood (18:41): And it gave her scale in a room that was full of a lot of people.

Caitlin Reilly (18:44): Right.

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Joanna Lumley (18:45): Morticia, it's probably best you didn't follow me into the family business. I've been to funerals with more life than this gala.

Steve Buscemi (19:02): We're about to heat things up with a student dance routine, and then we'll call you to the stage for some brief remarks. And finally, I'll whisk you to my office to complete the pesky paperwork.

[end clip]

Caitlin Reilly (19:15): Weems looks amazing. Ghostlike, ethereal. What was the inspiration with her look?

Colleen Atwood (19:23): Well, all of the above. So, we know Weems has come back from the other world, and she's in this world once again visiting us as a spirit. And with Gwendolyn, who's an amazing costume collaborator, loves clothes, has amazing styling, and presence in a costume. So, we wanted to keep her as Weems, but with a sort of paleness, and kind of quietude that sort of kept her a little bit separated from the rest of them. Of course, for her, her ball costume was a blast because it was so huge. It was so gigantic, and over the top. We used all transparent materials that you could see through layered over each other to give it sort of that quality, and the light. And her other costumes all had a sheen to the surface. So, instead of being matte on camera, they kind of give a little glow in the light.

Caitlin Reilly (20:24): Oh, really?

Colleen Atwood (20:24): Which was part of what we did with her.

Caitlin Reilly (20:26): That's fascinating because I sort of noticed like, wow, she's lit differently. [inaudible 00:20:32] the costume.

Colleen Atwood (20:33): Yeah, the costume lit itself.

Caitlin Reilly (20:35): Wow.

Colleen Atwood (20:36): Which sometimes you have to do in this world.

Caitlin Reilly (20:37): Yeah. Were there any pieces particularly fun, or challenging to source, or build? I know that we've touched on a few, but is there one that stands out to you?

Colleen Atwood (20:46): I think Morticia's figuring out in a design sense, in a character sense, how Morticia still had Morticia's shape, which is the opposite of the 18th century. And then creating the exoskeleton to give her that shape was really an interesting process, and one that kind of gave me a lot of trepidation until it was done. I think the other costume that I really had fun with for that, that kind of came together in a strange way was Steve Buscemi's costume for the Ball.

Caitlin Reilly (21:20): Oh, yes.

Colleen Atwood (21:22): Because it was, I saw a piece in Italy from the original movie Casanova, the Donald Sutherland one. That was similar to that in the way the treatment of the material. And so I collaborated with Torelli in Rome in figuring out how to, because it was maybe 30, 40 years old, that costume I saw, how to make it work because whatever it was made out of doesn't exist anymore. So, it's always fun when you in a way take something, and try to recreate the feeling of it, but with new materials, and they worked very hard on it. I think they did a great job.

Caitlin Reilly (21:59): I mean, it's wonderful.

Colleen Atwood (22:00): It's a really fun man's costume.

Caitlin Reilly (22:03): Well, thank you so much for joining me, Colleen. This was a delight, and a feast. Thank you for talking with me.

Colleen Atwood (22:09): Thank you for having me.

Steve Buscemi (22:10): It started when I ordered Bianca Barclay to siren Morticia Addams into asking her mother for a large donation. And when that didn't work, I held Bianca's mother hostage to force her to siren Hester Front to donate her fortune.

Caitlin Reilly (22:40): Ladies, and gentlemen, please welcome Mr. Steve Buscemi. Steve, how are you?

Steve Buscemi (22:46): I'm good, Caitlin. How are you?

Caitlin Reilly (22:48): I'm fantastic. Now, can you talk us through how you got involved in this series?

Steve Buscemi (22:55): I mean, I had worked with Tim Burton many years ago on Big Fish, so I don't know who thought of me for this character, but I was very happy to get the call, and to know that I'd be working with Tim. And I was a big fan of the first season of Wednesday. And so yeah, when I got the call, I was very happy, and excited. Also, I promised my MorningSong stooge Gideon, that I would split the money, but I'm not big into sharing. So, now he's a pile of ash in my fireplace, and I'm keeping all the cash. Oh, boy.

Caitlin Reilly (23:42): Now in episode seven, Principal Dort dies. What did you make of his death when you first read it in the script?

Steve Buscemi (23:50): I mean, it was not surprising because I knew that he was probably headed that way, especially once people discovered what he was really up to, and just his nature. But I kind of liked that he was going to be turned into stone. And I remember after reading the script, and then running into Georgie who plays Ajax, and seeing him coming into the makeup trailer as I was leaving, and me saying to him, "I got a bone to pick with you." And he looked kind of worried, like he had really offended me but didn't know how. And I just said, "Come on, man, you turned me into stone." And so we had a nice laugh over it, and I was happy that he was the one I really like Georgie.

Caitlin Reilly (24:44): He is fantastic. I mean, that would kind of scare me too a little bit though, Steve.

Steve Buscemi (24:48): I guess I meant to scare him a little bit. Yeah,

Caitlin Reilly (24:50): No, just a little bit.

Steve Buscemi (24:51): A little bit.

Caitlin Reilly (24:52): Do you think that there's any good in Dort?

Steve Buscemi (24:55): I mean, I think that he genuinely is a fan of Nevermore, and in its own way, wants to see it succeed, even though his plan all along was to rob it blind. But I think he was good at inspiring the kids. He liked doing the rallies, and making speeches, and making jokes. And so I think it was that part of it for him was fun. It's almost like he had two personalities. Wednesday, perfect timing.

Joanna Lumley (25:34): Come look at my new tower.

Steve Buscemi (25:36): Oh, that's just the tip of the front philanthropic iceberg.

Jenna Ortega (25:40): You said the only charity in life was a quick, painless death.

Joanna Lumley (25:43): Since my own family has little interest in the empire, I've built one grave at a time. I've decided all my spoils should be used to educate future generations of outcasts.

Steve Buscemi (25:54): Can you believe this woman's generosity?

Jenna Ortega (25:56): No, I can't.

Caitlin Reilly (25:58): I wanted to ask you what your favorite principal Dort moment is this season?

Steve Buscemi (26:05): I think it was. Yeah, the early episode where I'm showing Morticia where she could be living if she agrees to be on the host committee. And it was just me, and the Addams Family, and Tim Burton. And it was just such a great feeling, because I've been such a fan of the Addams Family since I was a kid, and now here I am acting with the whole family. It was kind of a surreal moment, and one that I just had to stop, and say, "Wow, this is pretty cool."

Catherine Zeta-Jones (26:41): I thought the Gardener's cottage was reserved for faculty.

Steve Buscemi (26:48): Marilyn Thornhill lived here last year, but Thanks to Wednesday, she is now enjoying much tighter quarters in prison.

Jenna Ortega (26:56): Not pine box tight, but a girl can dream.

Steve Buscemi (27:00): It's yours for the night. And if you decide to become our gala chair, consider this your home away from home. I'll wait outside.

Caitlin Reilly (27:11): I want to talk about Tim's process, and approach that makes him different from other directors.

Steve Buscemi (27:17): What all the good directors have in common, and that Tim really has is that they like actors that they like working with actors, and they're a good audience. And Tim definitely is that he really loves to see what an actor brings to it. And he loves collaborating, and at the same time, he has a really unique vision. Tim, like I said, he's a great audience, and once you see that in his face where he really likes what you're doing, he's so encouraging, and so supportive. And then we just laugh in between takes. We'll talk about it, and laugh, and so it's really fun.

Caitlin Reilly (27:58): Well, thank you so much, Steve. Thank you for sitting here, and speaking with me. I'm such a fan.

Steve Buscemi (28:03): It was lovely talking with you, and all the best.

Caitlin Reilly (28:11): We are coming up on the end of the Wednesday season two official WoeCast, but we've got more incredible guests still to talk to. The one, and only Owen Painter, the actor behind Slurp, and Isaac Knight.

Owen Painter (28:29): To practice that, I was walking around Dublin, punching myself in the face.

Caitlin Reilly (28:33): We will hear from Morticia herself, Catherine Zeta-Jones.

Catherine Zeta-Jones (28:38): So, it's a very strange dynamic, which somehow it finds its way in Wednesday, and my mother pitting against me.

Caitlin Reilly (28:45): And the dark queen of it all, Jenna Ortega is back.

Jenna Ortega (28:51): I love, I love whenever the entire family can get together. So, I think it was just... Everything about it was very satisfying.

Caitlin Reilly (28:57): That's what's coming up on the next, and final episode of the Wednesday season two official WoeCast. I'm Caitlin Riley, I'll catch you next time, my little deathtraps.